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The Trans Am series shall resume January 7th at Mid Ohio.

The server shall be set up with cars that are being considered for the 2018 GTC season: Alpine A310, BMW CSL 3.2 Alpina, Ford Capri 2600RS and Porsche 911ST 2.5.

Momentarily, the server is enabled with Hockenheim, Autopolis and A1 Ring.

I'll update if I make changes. If I change tracks, they will be from tracks that we used in 2017.

Happy Holidays!

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Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:13 am
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Thanks Tom. I'll probably be on tonight and maybe Sunday night and Monday

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Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:59 am
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Patch to restore Porsche 911 RS 2.8 to normal power and grip is attached


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Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:09 am
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Patch to restore Capri 2600RS to full power is attached.


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Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:10 am
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Added the small block 69 and 74 Corvette and Porsche 911 RS 2.8 to the car list.

The 911 RS 2.8 MUST BE RESTORED to its normal power level and grip using the patch posted above to be relevant; we gave it more power and grip so that it could run with the fastest GTC group (Pantera Factory, Corvette 427, ...)

Those two seem good together but too fast for the A310, 3.2 CSL Alpina, Capri 2600RS and 911 ST 2.5.

Perhaps the Pantera Privateer would fit with the RS 2.8 and 350 Corvette. I'll add the Pantera the next chance that I get.

Realistically, we probably won't have time to create a new group of cars if they need adjustment beyond equalizing the tire numbers and/or a power change which means that we'd fall back to the 2017 group of cars which all proved to be competitive.

Slower races better but it would be nice to use cars that we've never raced.

I'll move this to a GTC 2018 discussion soon, wish that I had started on this immediately after Le Mans.

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Breaking protocol and switching the track to Poznan which we've dabbled in but have never used for a race.

Poznan 2011: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s9v784 ... sp=sharing

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Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:33 am
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This is turning into GTC testing nights for me this week.

Feeling pretty good about the Alpine A310, 3.2 CSL Alpina, Capri 2600RS and Porsche 911 ST 2.5.

We need more testing but my gut feeling is that we will end up with a tire patch similar to what we did with the big GTC cars which will give all the cars tires that notionally have the same grip.

By the most basic numbers (but consistent with how it fees) the Alpine has the grippiest tires, the BMW and Capri are about the same and a little less than the Alpine and the Porsche has a tiny bit less than the BMW and Capri. Correspondingly, I'd rank the cars in the same order as the tires, with the Alpine perhaps a tiny bit too good and the Porsche a tiny bit off.

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Agreed Tom on maybe a grip patch to bring them closer to the fun and control we have in the T/A cars.

The Porsche was off by a little over a 1.5 to 2 seconds for me compared to the BMW and haven't tested the Capri with the power level back, also need to drive the Alpine yet.

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I whipped up a tire patch for the BMW 3.2 Alpina, Capri 2600 and Porsche 911 ST 2.5.

It is attached here for the time being.

The premise was equalizing the rear grip (lateral) tire number to be same as the Alpine A310 and then increasing grip and traction for each tire on each car by the same percentage.

The result is that the Alpine is unchanged, the BMW gets about 2% more "grip", the Capri gets about 1% more and the Porsche gets about 2.5% more.

We'll see how it plays out during pre-season testing but at the moment my only slight concern is that the Capri and BMW didn't get an equal increase; maybe it's an appropriate variance, maybe not.

The server is patched.


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I flailed away with the Capri and Porsche getting both to a 1:43.5xxx @ Poznan.

It took a lot of laps with the Porsche but that's as much me and my lack of experience with 911s as it was the the car; I needed to learn how to drive it and set it up but my last laps were all in the 43s.

I trust that Rich Minkler will be The Man to evaluate the Porsche but the tire patch seems to have done the trick.

Hutton looks to be locked into the BMW so great feedback will be coming for it, too, so no need for me to spend time with it.

I want to focus on the Capri (I think) ASAP in order to help my season but I'll probably spend some time with the small block Corvette to see if it makes any sense to include it as it would be nice to have an American car in the mix plus I do miss the 427 Corvette which regrettably may never see another racing series as we gravitate towards cars that are easier to drive. Having said that, though, many times I'd thought that we should drop the Porsche and 427 Corvette from the "GTC-1" class as they are just too different from the other three cars and that would clearly be the case here as well.

As of 2017-12-28 01:51 PST @ Poznan:

Alpine A310 PB = 1:43.610, TB = 1:43.310, top speed = 216.3 kph
Capri 2600RS PB = 1:43.515, TB = 1:43.260, top speed = 213.9 kph
Porsche 911ST 2.5 PB = 1:43.565, TB = 1:43.281, top speed = 216.2 kph
'74 Corvette 350 PB = 1:43.723, TB = 1:43.255, top speed = 225.7 kph

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Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:48 am
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Not getting my weekly racing in, I turned on rFactor and tried the cars out. Some of them are pretty close for me. Except the Porsche. I can't get that one to go as fast. Which is a shame, because I enjoyed driving that one the most.

I tried to give each car 10 honest laps with default tuning.

Capri 2600RS 146.794
Renault A310 147.350
74 Vette 147.469
911ST 149.710

I tried the BMW Alpina, but couldn't keep it on the road. I quit out in frustration.

I wouldn't pick the Renault. It's dull. Akin to a trip to the store to get some milk. And Cheesies.

Definitely consider the Corvette. Hilarious fun. Like riding on the business end of Thor's hammer.


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Hey guys happy holidays. Had a lot of time during the week so I tested few cars.

3.2 CSL Feel light, tossable, and fast in top speed.

Capri Feel old but accelerate quickly and very forgivable.

I managed to hit the :44x with the Capri. I like its balanced feeling. Still need a bigger track to test it though.

Awesome Touring cars, looking forward to race them!

Also tested the Pantera with Yowan, what a beast !

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The server is momentarily enabled with:

Barcelona_GP //callvote event Spanish Grand Prix
Brianza_ItalianGP //callvote event Italian Grand Prix
4GPValencia //callvote event Valencia GP 2004
05TIAida //callvote event TIAida 05
Motorland_GP_FIM //callvote event Motorland GRAND PRIX (FIM)
Sachsenring2009 //callvote event Sachsenring 2009
Fuji93 //callvote event Fuji 1993 - 1000km
zolder79 //callvote event #06_Zolder

I'll upload Zolder in a minute

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GPC79 Zolder: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BGvRjI ... sp=sharing

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Have you ever had to move the couch and found a box of Toffifee underneath?
Well, me neither, but I bet it would be a pleasant surprise.

It was this sense of unexpected novelty I discovered when I tried out the BMW 3.2 at Barcelona. Perhaps fatigue was an issue the other day when I first tried it, but I have to update my opinion on it's viability. I thought it was lots of fun. It would be a good drifting car if I knew what I was doing.

Still couldn't keep up using the Porsche.
Went off the road with the Corvette a few times, but I was smiling while doing it, so that's still on my list for sure. It sounds great too. Like taking a concussion through a culvert.


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I had great fun with the Corvette doing wheel-to-wheel testing with Hutton in the BMW with both cars quite close at Poznan, Valencia, Zolder and Tiada.

Regrettably, though, the Corvette is untouchable at a fast track like Monza. My first thought was to reduce its power but that would in turn almost certainly render it uncompetitive at the slower tracks. I don't want to compromise the track selection to accommodate one car and I think that we're too far along with the core group of cars to jump to a different set.

Without really thinking about, I figured that this Corvette would match well with the Porsche 911 RS 2.8 but now I see that wouldn't really work, either, as the Porsche should be untouchable by the Corvette everywhere but a fast and high top speed track so there may not be a better place for the '74 Corvette than this season.

Anyway, I'll get to work on the track selection in hopes of finding a solution that includes the Corvette.

I really need to move this to a GTC 2018 discussion, too...

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