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 Round 3 Discussion - Donington Park National 
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rF2 track: Donington Park National
Official Practice: 4:30 PM PST / 16:30 PST / 00:30 UTC (120 minutes)
Qualifying: 6:30 PM PST / 18:30 PST / 02:30 UTC (15 Minute PRIVATE session)
Warmup: 6:45 PM PST (5 minute Driver's Meeting)
Race 1 Green Flag: 6:50 PM PST (two-race Twin Sprint Pro Am ROLLING START format,
18 laps each)

Practice Server Time: 3:00 PM (sunny and dry)
Qualifying Server Time: 3:00 PM (sunny and dry)
Race Server Time: 3:00 PM (sunny and dry)

damage: 65% (shall be turned off for weekday practice)
fuel multiplier: normal
tire multiplier: normal
mechanical failures: normal
timescale: normal
flag rules: Black Flag
pit speed limit = per track default

Lap record holder: new sim, new car set, new track


Track limits:

Standard ESR rules, asphalt and curbing are racing surface, two tires must be in contact with the racing surface, tires must never fully be in grass, dirt, gravel, etc.

The only special area is the final chicane where four tires must be in contact with the racing surface which includes asphalt, red and white curbing and the red extra tall curbing.


These races will feature our usual Twin Sprint Pro Am format with two 18 lap races and a full grid inversion for Race 2.

This race is open to everyone but new drivers are subject to admin approval and all who are slower than 105% of the pole time will be moved to the back of the grid for Race 2.

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Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:37 pm
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Grippy track with a wide racing line this week, boyz.

Unless there is a problem, I won't be restarting the server ahead of the race so all the rubber that was laid down by the AI and over 1000 laps by humans will remain.

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Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:43 pm
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I may be wrong about the rubbering.

If we Restart Weekend, then whatever was built up stays.

If the server just runs its course through all the sessions, then after the race it should be like Go to Next Track not Restart Weekend at which point the track should go back to Green.

I've been restarting weekend and booting AI quite often so it could be that by the time that I did laps Friday night, there had been 4 or 5 practice sessions and I was seeing that much rubber build up.

I'll check on it tonight after I do a race start, I'll let the server roll over and see what the track surface is like.

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Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:44 pm
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The rolling start doesn't work properly, a driver at the back of the grid will be designated to signal the green flag.

This track warns for track cutting for tires outside the racing surface and will penalize with a drive thru or stop and go if you exceed a certain number.

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I'd like to put my incident with Rich in R1 up for review. I'm pretty sure it was lap 1 headed up the hill. I got a good run on him in the fast right hander and feel like I was well established next to him and he came over into me, but I will let you decide. I tried to watch the replay but it's gone due to practice/restarts.

To be clear, I'm not protesting him but putting myself up for review.


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I propose the league scraps pace car rolling starts. The way we did it tonight goes so much smoother due to human intelligence. The problem with AI pace cars is they don't know how to bunch the pack up after a tight corner/chicane/hairpin. It works on some tracks, for sure but not these tracks.

Take away the technical issues and tonight's starts were almost perfect.

[quote]The rolling start doesn't work properly, a driver at the back of the grid will be designated to signal the green flag.[/quote]

I noticed the interval timer wigging out near the chicane which was probably the cause. Probably bad track design where the two layouts join (which is the final chicane).


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Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:58 am
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I hear you, Dale but we can mitigate the pace car by giving it a head start, sure is nice to have the server announce the green.

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[quote="Tom Lory"]I hear you, Dale but we can mitigate the pace car by giving it a head start, sure is nice to have the server announce the green.[/quote]

OK. I worry about getting the "too slow" warning in that situation but as long as lead cars try to rationalize the pace car's behavour we'll be good.


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I'll test to be sure that it works, moot point if a malfunctional pace car forces a manual start anyway

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[quote="BSmith"]I'd like to put my incident with Rich in R1 up for review. I'm pretty sure it was lap 1 headed up the hill. I got a good run on him in the fast right hander and feel like I was well established next to him and he came over into me, but I will let you decide. I tried to watch the replay but it's gone due to practice/restarts.

To be clear, I'm not protesting him but putting myself up for review.[/quote]

I looked at it real quick earlier in the week. My impression was that the preferred racing line belonged to Rich because he was ahead and on the inside, one of the fastest corners on the track that is also one-lined is not the ideal place to attempt a pass let alone to expect to go side-by-side, especially on cold tires on the first lap of the race.

I'll watch it again but I had an opportunity to respond and was in the mood, let's certainly talk about it Sunday.

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I'm not going to make it this week. Working and staying an hour away Sunday through Thursday. :evil:

No where in the first sector is an ideal place to pass but this is a pretty roomy track in my opinion. I would agree that the fast kink would be a bad place to go side by side, but I don't feel like the run up the hill is that tight. I thought the rule was once I had overlap, I had a right to some room. My plan was to position myself for the pass at the hard right at the top of the hill, which I did successfully at least one other time without incident. I have trouble believing anyone else would've just lifted off and not attempted a racing move given the run I had. I really wish I had a replay to refer to. Sometimes things look different outside of the car, which is why I brought it up.


Whatever is decided is totally fine but that's my side of the story as I remember it.


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Dam the creek, you'll be missed :(

I didn't post replays because the forum is in limp home mode but I will. I need to look at the incident again.

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Yeah, it sucks but unfortunately can't be helped.

I also forgot the most important part, sorry Rich. Whatever the circumstance, I certainly didn't want THAT to happen. We had a great nose to tail battle most of R2 last week and I was hoping for more of that.


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